"And, by the way, why symbolic things are also important. You should understand a simple situation. Ultimately, you should know, as you want, mentality of this Ukrainian political concept. I will repeat this. Inside the Ukrainian nationalism, and all that which is happening in Ukraine, apart from other things, there are also, so to say, two important things. First of all, they are passionate about symbolism, that can be used to amplify, yes, emotions. And the second, in fact, is striving of Ukrainians for material wellbeing, political Ukrainians, this is a major component of present-day Ukrainian ideology. They say, we want to be in the EU, you will remain in your tundra, and we will be in the EU. Why? Because in the EU you may gobble sweeter and sleep softer. And there will be more entertainment.

So, until you switch off these people light, gas, water, sewage, they will not understand many things. While people are dying under bombs in Donetsk, people in Kiev, in Kreshchatik, so to say, are boozing up and drinking coffee. Until in Lvov they know where to put money because they are renting apartments, hotels and so on, to the refugees at tripled price, they will understand nothing. You should the human nature, including the nature of this political Ukrainism.

You will achieve nothing if they are there, and you are here. You may seize as many Limans, Maryankas, Avdeyevkas as you want. Can you understand that Zelenskiy and all others in Kiev do not give damn for this. Until he feels his own ass endangered, until he feels that he should get into the basement and not get out, he will understand nothing. And the same refers, unfortunately, to millions of Ukrainian everydayers. Until they are jeering over the Crimean bridge and everything else on the internets, on their public pages and telegram channels and nothing happens next to them, they will understand nothing. This is an axiom; this is a harsh axiom but the axiom."